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The Church as a Thin Place: Dreams and Visions

By Mark D. Roberts | Thursday, May 28, 2009

Part 9 of series: Thin Places
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In yesterday’s post I began reflecting in a more practical way on the church as a thin place. Today I want to continue these reflections, sharing a few of my dreams and visions for the church.

The Church as a Place of Prayer for All Peoples

In the Old Testament, the Temple was the supreme place of prayer for the Israelites. But in some prophetic passages, a more expansive vision appeared. Consider, for example, Isaiah 56:7, which speaks of the Temple as a “house of prayer for all peoples.”

The church, it seems to me, should be such a place, not just accidentally, but intentionally. Yes, I know most churches are theoretically open to all kinds of people. But, in fact, most churches do not make an effort to invite people to pray with them.

I struggled with this fact as Senior Pastor of Irvine Presbyterian Church. Along the way, my fellow leaders and I made some changes that were meant to welcome all people to join us in prayer. For example, at some point we realized that we prayed The Lord’s Prayer every week, but nowhere provided the text for those who didn’t know. So we began printing and projecting The Lord’s Prayer for the sake of our guests. We also closed every service with an invitation for people to come forward for prayer with an elder or deacon. During my sixteen years at Irvine, we prayed for thousands of people in this way.

Daily Prayer

But I had other dreams, dreams that I was not able to realize because God called me away to Texas, of all things. One of these dreams was to do as many more liturgical churches do, and offer morning and evening prayer every day. Our form of prayer wouldn’t necessarily be quite a structured as one would find in a Catholic or Episcopal church. In fact, I thought it would be fun to vary the menu quite a bit. Yet, with utter consistency, we would offer a short prayer service very day, perhaps at 7:00 in the morning and 7:00 in the evening. This would be intended, not just for church members, but for people in the community. We would say to our neighbors: “If ever you feel like you want to pray, or if every you need somebody to pray for you, or if you just want to sit in quiet while others are praying, come join us. You are always welcome.”

Adding twelve prayer services a week (Monday – Saturday) would have taken some organizational work, but it would have been well worth it. I figured that the pastors (we had three and a half) would lead some of these prayer times, but not all. Others would be led by lay leaders, including non-ordained staff, elders, deacons, and others. We’d always have at least two people present, preferably a man and a woman. The prayer time would last around fifteen minutes, though people would be invited to remain for quiet prayer if they wished.

I tried to get my fellow leaders to be excited about this idea, but, frankly, we had too much going on to give this vision the attention it needed. I sometimes thought that offering prayer of this sort should be at the heart of any church’s mission, but I didn’t press the point, right or wrong. It’s certainly easy to see how such a practice of daily prayer would help a church be a thin place, a place where people encountered God.

A Prayer Chapel

I had also hoped that, someday, Irvine Presbyterian Church would build a prayer chapel that could be open all day. This would be different from the chapel that was part of our master plan, a building that would be suitable for small weddings, memorial services, and so on. The prayer chapel would be quite small, designed so that it could remain unlocked without continual supervision. Given the weather in Southern California, this could have been a prayer garden, though we didn’t have much space for something like this.

I realized that a prayer chapel such as I envisioned would create lots of challenges, since it would be open and usually unsupervised. But I had hope that, in time, we could build such a space and offer it to our community as a place of quite prayer. Many on our church building committee were favorable to this idea. It may, in fact, still be on the drawing board somewhere.

Programmatic realities took precedence, and we built an administration building with a youth center instead. I think this was the right choice, and I supported it completely. But I never gave up the hope that, someday, we might build a place of prayer for our community, either a chapel or a garden.

The “Holey” Church

Today, my dreams and visions for the church have more to do with what the church does while dispersed in the world than with what it does while gathered together for prayer, worship, discipleship, and service. I don’t in any way wish to disparage the importance of the church gathered. But, in my role with Laity Lodge, I’m more invested in the church scattered.

Thus I want to revisit something I wrote about in my last post, the vision of the church as a collection of thin places out in the world. If you think along the lines of the thin place model, with the earth and heaven being separated by some sort of thick barrier, then the people of God are millions of thin places in the barrier. Or, to mix metaphors, we are like holes in the Swiss cheese barrier between the earthly and the divine. The church would be, pardon the bad pun, a “holey” church, a church of holes through which God’s presence would be experienced.

So, though I’m all in favor of churches providing spaces for people to experience God, I’m even more excited about the idea of Christians living in the world in such a way that people don’t even have to go to a church facility or a retreat center to sense the presence of God.

In my next post I want to offer some theological reflections on the notion of thin places, and share some hesitations I have about this metaphor.

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2 Responses to “The Church as a Thin Place: Dreams and Visions”

  1. Thomas Buck Says:
    May 28th, 2009 at 3:11 am

    Having been raised with the Lord’s Prayer, I never thought about it before, but yes, our church always prints all prayers, including the Lord’s prayer, in our bulletin. All song lyrics and the scripture readings are in there, too. Kinda handy for a newbie.

    Our pastors are highly focused on the unchurched, pre-Christians. I guess this is just one piece of evidence for that.


  2. J. Falconer Says:
    May 28th, 2009 at 4:22 am

    Thanks Rev Roberts, Linda, children, & readers & posters, I’ve gained some help from this series & probably this will be my most lengthy post(lucky readers-Ha!)Believers need a lot of prayer & miracles for now-health,workplace,personal relationships like engagements or marriages, financial & family needs.Living life is more stressful than writing or talking. My faith intution says LISTEN. I hope & believe psalm 45 can be God’s personal will for me. So we will see if God opens that door-challenge to commitment. Perhaps, Mrs. J.I.Smith has a marital gift robe for the fulfillment of the psalm 45 love-marriage story. Naturally, gentlemen in marriage have a lot of economic & other pressures & demands than the feminine side. It’s wonderful Mrs. Linda Roberts sees the woman’s point of view-respect & communication. I’m grateful I saw my parents’ example & yours of trying to maintain a harmonious relationship in modern times & life with any challenge. California is very challenging economic & marriage morality. It’s best if peiple can try to THRIVE more than survive.Thanks again for this website.Postscript-my father survived military, cancer & a serious heart attack(80%blockage of major carotoid artery) about 20 years ago along with past work challenges, family & relatives.So hopefully love & faith conquers all for now & the future. Behind the scenes at work,socials, & churches is definitely not in front of the scenes. GOD BLESS all & here’s praying mighty life changing miracles for families & believers Thanks again !! Peace-j


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